i remember clinton former clinton staffer coming to me, henry i want to be more forceful about whatever issue is bothering her. you have the no drama obama thing. it lasted through the whole campaign. through the bumps of, you know, the different forms we went through a a campaign. the different, you know, crisis we went to together. and so it was more than just that. it wasn't just about our culture. he actually gave us an idea of the kind of person we should in the campaign; right, the kind of person we should hire. which is freeing for me as a manager. now i'm not just hiring people with long rÉsume and certain skill sets. i'm hiring a type of person; right, the no drama, respect everyone build it from the bottom up. it changed the face of our organization. i describe, i remember having later a conversation with my old mentor from harvard, gentleman named david who i give the credit for helping me be ready for the five years i spent with the obama both in the campaign and the white house. he met me he asked me to meet far coffee or drink late in the campaign i got off early that nig